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I am of the opinion it's pretty bad, and we should have a new one.
 
I am of the opinion it's pretty bad, and we should have a new one.
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= 2017 =
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There have been many designs over the years, including national competitions.
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This page lists designs I've made, either original or tweaks of others, either serious or satire. All with credit where due (As of 2017, the 2014 design is the only one I consider wholly my own).
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= 2019: Golden Wattle Girt by Sea =
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[[Image:Goldenwattle_girt.png|thumb|Golden Wattle "girted"|400px]]
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In [https://www.reddit.com/r/vexillology/comments/anm8hi/australia_united_aboriginal_white_peoples/efxm4kf/ this discussion thread on reddit] I noted that I felt the Golden Wattle seemed a little plain and perhaps it could do with something on the edges, Canadian style. This is the result of that - edging with waves. The wave has 7 peaks/troughs, matching the Wattle/Commonwealth Star, with the edge being the bottom of the 8th peak, allowing this design to "tile" smoothly. I also increased the size of the wattle petals slightly (whilst still keeping them within the 5/7th bounding circle) to emphasize the Commonwealth Star. I note that the tech design of the Golden Wattle flag doesn't specify the petal size - this is increased relative to their sample image.
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This new design was posted to
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* Twitter: https://twitter.com/nemothorx/status/1095296281436536833
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* Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/vexillology/comments/apssic/golden_wattle_flag_proposed_for_australia_but_now/
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* Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/nemothorx/posts/10157159186583216
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From the facebook discussion, a further three variants. One on ochre background to suit Australian natural earth colours. Another matching indigenous flag colours, maintaining yellow center, on a black sky, with waves to the side - now red and could be seen to be symbolic of spilled blood. The third changes the design of the edge waves, and making the space between them reminiscent of boomerangs. This design is now seeming more towel-like than flag-like.
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<gallery mode=nolines heights=150 widths=250>
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Image:Goldenwattle_girt_ochre.png|Ochre colours
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Image:Goldenwattle_girt_indigcolours.png|Indigenous flag colours
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Image:Goldenwattle_girt_twowaves.png|Boomerang edging
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</gallery>
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= 2017: Wattle Throbber =
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[[Image:WattleThrobber.gif|thumb|Wattle Throbber|250px]]
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A twitter discussion thread about my modified Blaxland/ErikVeland flag led me to consider the satire potential of flag designs. This is after I described the Golden Wattle design as "clever yet boring"
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Here I simply take the Golden Wattle proposal, and animate it as an browser activity/waiting "throbber".
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: While we're waiting for Australia to get decent internet, waiting for Australia to get on board with marriage equality, waiting for Australia to have a space agency, waiting for Australia to get on board with renewable energies, waiting for Australia to get a new flag...
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: waiting, waiting, waiting...
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:: — https://www.facebook.com/nemothorx/videos/vb.596278215/10155530066823216/?type=2&theater
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* Twitter discussion: https://twitter.com/nemothorx/status/879905174713622528
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* http://www.goldenwattleflag.com/
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* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throbber
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= 2017 Modified Blaxland/ErikVeland =
 
[[Image:Flag_2017.png|thumb|2017 proposal|400px]]
  
[[Image:Flag_2017.png|thumb|2017 proposal|400px]]
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In my earlier design and writeup, I'd cited @ErikVeland's design: https://twitter.com/ErikVeland/status/448989303117344768 which is itself a simplification of the "Blaxland" flag (http://theconversation.com/a-proposal-for-a-new-mature-australian-flag-24714 and https://storify.com/sbsnews/australian-flag-redesign/elements/425bae536ec035d32591f22e )
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My 2014 design came about from a discussion based on the "Blaxland" flag, and I made special note at the time of a variant of that design by ErikVeland. I liked the design, but there were elements of it which niggled at me. Primarily, I felt the boomerang should point to the right, and the Aboriginal flag should not be over-rotated (ie, presenting as nearly upside down)
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My 2017 design takes Erik Veland's design, and brings it to the same proportions as our current flag, which gives room to then reverse the boomerang so it aims "right", and then the embedded Aboriginal flag is retained in a right-way-up form.
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In 2017, I returned to that design to tweak those niggles away. I take Erik Veland's flag and brings it to the same proportions as our current flag, which gives room to then reverse the boomerang so it aims "right", and then the embedded Aboriginal flag no longer has to be over-rotated.
 
== Design Elements ==
  
== Design Elements ==
 
* The golden sun is centered on the center of the former union jack.
 
* The golden sun is centered on the center of the former union jack.
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* The southern cross stars remain in their original sizes and positions
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* The southern cross stars remain in their original positions and sizes (inner and outer diameter unchanged)
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* The southern cross stars change point numbers to match the Victorian and NT flags. (5,6,7,7,8 points, rather than 5,7,7,7,7,)
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* The southern cross stars change numbers of points to match the Victorian and NT flags. (5,6,7,7,8 points, rather than 5,7,7,7,7 in the current Aus Flag)
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= 2014 =
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** This provides a link to the original pre-Federation flag design, which had stars of 5,6,7,8,9 points
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** Provides a link to the the current flag with Commonwealth star of 7 points
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** Provides a link to the Eureka Stockade flag of 8 point stars.
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== Links ==
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* John Blaxland's design: http://theconversation.com/a-proposal-for-a-new-mature-australian-flag-24714* SBS story on the Blaxland design which prompted the reveal of many others, including Erik Veland: https://storify.com/sbsnews/australian-flag-redesign/elements/425bae536ec035d32591f22e
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* Erik Veland's design directly https://twitter.com/ErikVeland/status/448989303117344768
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* My twitter announce of this design: https://twitter.com/nemothorx/status/868969911615242240
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** I note for the record that Erik Veland quote-retweeted, and John Blaxland directly retweeted this
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*** https://twitter.com/ErikVeland/status/868970187885690881
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= 2014: "Sun and Rock" =
 
[[Image:Flag_2014.png|thumb|2014 proposal|400px]]
  
[[Image:Flag_2014.png|thumb|2014 proposal|400px]]
 
This is my 2014 flag design idea. I'd not even go so far as to say it's a proposal, but I hope it gets people thinking.
 
This is my 2014 flag design idea. I'd not even go so far as to say it's a proposal, but I hope it gets people thinking.
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Taking a layout cue from the NT and ACT flags, the left third is a solid base with the southern cross. I've chosen a black base, with the original (and Victorian and NT state) southern cross. (This is identical to the NT flag). To the right, a blue field has a yellow arc above, and red below. The top is to be read as the sun, and red as uluru. They are shaped appropriately. You can imagine the white band between red and blue as a heat-haze if you like, but really it's just to separate the blue and red from touching (which would be bad design karma :) - it also means the flag includes colours from both our current and aboriginal flags.
  
Taking a layout cue from the NT and ACT flags, the left third is a solid base with the southern cross. I've chosen a black base, with the original (and Victorian and NT state) southern cross. (This is identical to the NT flag). To the right, a blue field has a yellow arc above, and red below. The top is to be read as the sun, and red as uluru. They are shaped appropriately. You can imagine the white band between red and blue as a heat-haze if you like, but really it's just to separate the blue and red from touching (which would be bad design karma :) - it also means the flag includes colours from both our current and aboriginal flags.
   
 
=== Sketches prior to final design ===
  
=== Sketches prior to final design ===
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<gallery mode=nolines heights=200 widths=150>
 
Image:Flagsketch2014_1.png|1
  
Image:Flagsketch2014_1.png|1
 
Image:Flagsketch2014_2.png|2
  
Image:Flagsketch2014_2.png|2
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=== Variants on the design ===
  
=== Variants on the design ===
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<gallery heights=150 widths=300>
 
Image:Nemo_Flag_2014_2.png|white border to sun matching lower white
  
Image:Nemo_Flag_2014_2.png|white border to sun matching lower white
 
Image:Nemo_Flag_2014_3.png|white border to sun matching sun
  
Image:Nemo_Flag_2014_3.png|white border to sun matching sun
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Image:FlagSketch_2016_1.png|2016 variant: Swap blue and black, removing need for white band
 
</gallery>
  
</gallery>
   
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=== This thread also has some good designs ===
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=== Links ===
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* 2016 discussion: https://www.facebook.com/nemothorx/posts/10153920439623216
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* 2020 discussion: https://www.facebook.com/nemothorx/posts/10158107487798216
   
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* https://storify.com/sbsnews/australian-flag-redesign/elements/425bae536ec035d32591f22e
  
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* Especially this one from @ErikVeland: https://twitter.com/ErikVeland/status/448989303117344768
  
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* The original Blaxland proposal: http://theconversation.com/a-proposal-for-a-new-mature-australian-flag-24714
  
   
   
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= 2011 =
   
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Further links, ideas and reading
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For many years, my favorite flag design was the "Sun and Stars" flag, though I had some minor niggles with it. In 2011 I tweaked it's design by spreading the southern cross out better, and making them 8 pointed stars as a more overt reference to the Eureka flag, as well as adding to the symmetry of the design.
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http://www.thereef.com.au/flag/
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= State Flags =
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I've a plan to create some new state flag designs also, inspired by the "[http://www.bresslergroup.com/blog/sideproject-united-we-stand-updated United we stand]" project of US state flags, and taking inspiration by the NT and ACT territory flags
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Also useful reference: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_symbols_of_states_and_territories_of_Australia
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== New South Wales ==
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== Victoria ==
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== Queensland ==
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== Tasmania ==
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== South Australia ==
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== Western Australia ==
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== Northern Territory ==
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* Nothing to change
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== ACT ==
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= External links and discussions =
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This thread has some good designs: https://storify.com/sbsnews/australian-flag-redesign/elements/425bae536ec035d32591f22e
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See also:
   
 
* http://thereef.org.au/flag
  
* http://thereef.org.au/flag
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The 2016 facebook thread about flags:
  
The 2016 facebook thread about flags:
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* https://www.facebook.com/nemothorx/posts/10153920439623216The 2017 facebook thread about flags:* https://web.facebook.com/nemothorx/posts/10155423198983216
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* https://www.facebook.com/nemothorx/posts/10153920439623216
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The 2017 facebook thread about flags:
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* https://web.facebook.com/nemothorx/posts/10155423198983216

Latest revision as of 12:19, 26 January 2022

Contents

There is a recurring (but often silent) debate in Australia about our flag.

I am of the opinion it's pretty bad, and we should have a new one.

There have been many designs over the years, including national competitions.

This page lists designs I've made, either original or tweaks of others, either serious or satire. All with credit where due (As of 2017, the 2014 design is the only one I consider wholly my own).


[edit] 2019: Golden Wattle Girt by Sea

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Golden Wattle "girted"

In this discussion thread on reddit I noted that I felt the Golden Wattle seemed a little plain and perhaps it could do with something on the edges, Canadian style. This is the result of that - edging with waves. The wave has 7 peaks/troughs, matching the Wattle/Commonwealth Star, with the edge being the bottom of the 8th peak, allowing this design to "tile" smoothly. I also increased the size of the wattle petals slightly (whilst still keeping them within the 5/7th bounding circle) to emphasize the Commonwealth Star. I note that the tech design of the Golden Wattle flag doesn't specify the petal size - this is increased relative to their sample image.

This new design was posted to

From the facebook discussion, a further three variants. One on ochre background to suit Australian natural earth colours. Another matching indigenous flag colours, maintaining yellow center, on a black sky, with waves to the side - now red and could be seen to be symbolic of spilled blood. The third changes the design of the edge waves, and making the space between them reminiscent of boomerangs. This design is now seeming more towel-like than flag-like.

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    Ochre colours

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    Indigenous flag colours

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    Boomerang edging

[edit] 2017: Wattle Throbber

(thumbnail)
Wattle Throbber

A twitter discussion thread about my modified Blaxland/ErikVeland flag led me to consider the satire potential of flag designs. This is after I described the Golden Wattle design as "clever yet boring"

Here I simply take the Golden Wattle proposal, and animate it as an browser activity/waiting "throbber".

While we're waiting for Australia to get decent internet, waiting for Australia to get on board with marriage equality, waiting for Australia to have a space agency, waiting for Australia to get on board with renewable energies, waiting for Australia to get a new flag...
waiting, waiting, waiting...
— https://www.facebook.com/nemothorx/videos/vb.596278215/10155530066823216/?type=2&theater


[edit] 2017 Modified Blaxland/ErikVeland

(thumbnail)
2017 proposal

My 2014 design came about from a discussion based on the "Blaxland" flag, and I made special note at the time of a variant of that design by ErikVeland. I liked the design, but there were elements of it which niggled at me. Primarily, I felt the boomerang should point to the right, and the Aboriginal flag should not be over-rotated (ie, presenting as nearly upside down)

In 2017, I returned to that design to tweak those niggles away. I take Erik Veland's flag and brings it to the same proportions as our current flag, which gives room to then reverse the boomerang so it aims "right", and then the embedded Aboriginal flag no longer has to be over-rotated.

[edit] Design Elements

  • The golden sun is centered on the center of the former union jack.
  • The southern cross stars remain in their original positions and sizes (inner and outer diameter unchanged)
  • The southern cross stars change numbers of points to match the Victorian and NT flags. (5,6,7,7,8 points, rather than 5,7,7,7,7 in the current Aus Flag)
    • This provides a link to the original pre-Federation flag design, which had stars of 5,6,7,8,9 points
    • Provides a link to the the current flag with Commonwealth star of 7 points
    • Provides a link to the Eureka Stockade flag of 8 point stars.

[edit] Links



[edit] 2014: "Sun and Rock"

(thumbnail)
2014 proposal

This is my 2014 flag design idea. I'd not even go so far as to say it's a proposal, but I hope it gets people thinking.

Taking a layout cue from the NT and ACT flags, the left third is a solid base with the southern cross. I've chosen a black base, with the original (and Victorian and NT state) southern cross. (This is identical to the NT flag). To the right, a blue field has a yellow arc above, and red below. The top is to be read as the sun, and red as uluru. They are shaped appropriately. You can imagine the white band between red and blue as a heat-haze if you like, but really it's just to separate the blue and red from touching (which would be bad design karma :) - it also means the flag includes colours from both our current and aboriginal flags.

[edit] Sketches prior to final design

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    1

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    2

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    3

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    4

[edit] Variants on the design

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    white border to sun matching lower white

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    white border to sun matching sun

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    2016 variant: Swap blue and black, removing need for white band

[edit] Links


[edit] 2011

For many years, my favorite flag design was the "Sun and Stars" flag, though I had some minor niggles with it. In 2011 I tweaked it's design by spreading the southern cross out better, and making them 8 pointed stars as a more overt reference to the Eureka flag, as well as adding to the symmetry of the design.

http://www.thereef.com.au/flag/


[edit] State Flags

I've a plan to create some new state flag designs also, inspired by the "United we stand" project of US state flags, and taking inspiration by the NT and ACT territory flags

Also useful reference: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_symbols_of_states_and_territories_of_Australia

[edit] New South Wales

[edit] Victoria

[edit] Queensland

[edit] Tasmania

[edit] South Australia

[edit] Western Australia

[edit] Northern Territory

  • Nothing to change

[edit] ACT

[edit] External links and discussions

This thread has some good designs: https://storify.com/sbsnews/australian-flag-redesign/elements/425bae536ec035d32591f22e

See also:

The 2014 facebook thread from which the above sketches and design came from:

The 2016 facebook thread about flags:

The 2017 facebook thread about flags:

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